David goggins

episode 94

SHOW TRANSCRIPT

Hello and welcome to the moonshots podcast. It's episode 94. I'm your cohost, Mike Parsons. And as always, I'm joined by the man himself, the one who defies the odds. Mr. Mark Pearson Freeland. Good morning, Mark. Good morning, Mike. What a fast pace. Ultramarathon running episode. It is today, right? Well, I think you could say we're sprinting the marathon here because we have successfully completed our Epic Malcolm Gladwell series and we are doing quite a significant pivot.

I mean, we are going into a world of resilience and courage, Mark. Who are we going to study today? Who are we [00:01:00] going to learn out loud with? Or we are going into the world of mr. David Goggins. David Goggins is a chap. Who's risen up through the ranks in the speaking as well as author space, but he's really, really well known, particularly one owner for his inverted commerce, crazy fitness antics, and his ability to really push his body.

To the ultimate limits in this space. He's very, very well known for running ultra marathons. He's well known for ultra distance cycling and get this mic. This is something that maybe you and I should try and to try and beat. He holds the record for doing the most. Pull-ups in 24 hours at 4,030. Oh my gosh.

I mean, my muscles, just get tight thinking about that, but you're absolutely right. This is one tough guy, David Goggins. And he is the only man in history that has [00:02:00] completed. And that key word there completed training as a Navy seal. Plus army ranger plus air force, tactical air controller, and he was voted.

The toughest men in America. Now all of our listeners are probably thinking, Mike, I didn't think moonshots was like a gym workout show. And you're right. When not, what we're about though, is learning out loud from those who have done amazing things. And what is so powerful about David Goggins and what he writes about in his bestselling book.

Can't hurt me (buy on Amazon) is he is all about mastering your mind, mind to defy the odds. And I tell you what that is. Absolutely our moonshots mission. And what's crazy. Mark. What I propose to you is that despite the enormous scale of his physical feats, [00:03:00] It's actually all starting he's success all starts with the mind.

And that draws huge parallels with so many people we study on the moonshots podcast and not just athletes. Right? Not just athletes too. If you think about any of the work from, you know, Simon Sineck and the infinite game, Brene Brown. Discipline that she was teaching us. I mean, obviously, we can go down the whim off route or channeling and pushing fear and achieve your best self.

But Mike, I mean, a chap who regularly comes up on the show. I think Elon Musk is a great example of somebody who pushes past fear and reaches their full potential. Right. Totally. So I would argue to you that we can actually draw mental toughness, um, and mental fortitude, uh, to the core of not only Elan [00:04:00] David Goggins, despite the fact that they do very different things in the world, it all starts with mindset, which is such a big part of that moonshots method.

This is how we can unlock our true potential. And David Goggins has so much to teach us and I can't wait to get into the world of David Goggins, Mark, where do you want to start this adventure into mental toughness and fortitude? It's a big show, had lots and lots of great clips. So let's start with David Goggins himself telling us a little bit about how he stays in the fight.

Like a lot of people say trying hard. They, your mind knows, man. He knows this guy's bull. I mean, man, this guy's lying. There's no truth behind it. When I was a Navy seal training people go, how are you there for 18 months? The program is only six months long. You were in three hell weeks in one year. No one's ever done that.

How did you do that? [00:05:00] I talk about the new norm relevant in the $7 a month place. When I was growing up for a short period of time, I loved it. I know, I know the difference, that was my norm. Once we moved out of that place, we moved to $236 my place. I was like, I never want to go back to that little piece, but if you go back to a $7 a month place, you realize this is where I live.

So I got your mind says, Roger, that this is home.

Like you go to work, you put your suit and tie on. I go into suffering every day, every day, suffering [00:06:00] being broken duct, taking my feet up. Stress fractures, shin splints, being broken. Your mind says, if we're not broken to say normal, we gotta be broken. So then your mind starts to get tougher and tougher and more how'd you want on broken fi broken, broken shins.

My mind knew this is how we operate. We're in, we're a Navy seal training. This is what we are. I became hell. And that became my new norm. I gave myself no way out. There was nothing outside these walls of hell. Nothing. I became, I love God, but for a short period of time, I became the devil. Cause that was hell I became, I became the boss, the owner, and the CEO of Navy seal training.

That was my mindset. And that's how you get through things. Well, I mean, I mean that is some turbo charge talk right there. Um, I just love the, uh, [00:07:00] The tenacity, the vibrance of his mental attitude. I mean, you can, you can hear it as he talks, you know, he, he, he is that, that mindset. And that's, for me, there's a power in that.

And I think the first thing that struck me about Mark was just how he just embraced discomfort. When most of us kind of re. Just run away from it. I thought that was, it's a very interesting pattern that we see, obviously Joe Rogan, uh, does, uh, does talk about that as well, but it's like, I don't know the difference between David and most of us is that he when faced with that huge challenge and the discomfort of being in that he just kept going.

And I think there's something really in that. Yeah, I think you're right. This ability that David's calling out to control your mind [00:08:00] and conquer any sort of fear or doubt that you have is what enabled him, to get through those challenges. So we're about to hear in the second clip. Mike is David telling us again and another great little clip about why he thinks and what he would recommend doing when.

You and I, or any of our listeners are actually struggling to finish our goals. So here's David telling us a little bit about the cold, hard truth of why you can't sometimes stick to your goals. So I get out when the Christians over the holidays, the one major question of God, how do I finish what I start?

I get two weeks into it. And then I saw, well, this is thinking about that. People forget one thing about me. I used to be union. I used to be a fat guy. I got to didn't care much. You got to get D's and F's in school. I got it. I blame other people. I guy that was on there under [00:09:00] mediocre. I wouldn't even average.

So this is the thing about, I want to tell you what people know Martin, you saw it because they're lazy and because of no mind. Getting bad grades in school. It doesn't bother you enough to be mediocre, to be average, to sit around and watch people do great things. You don't mind it to me, your answer, your answer is you don't care how much itself so you don't stay in the file.

Stay harder. The code has the truth. It really is true. Um, when you think he's using, working out as an example of a fitness program, uh, how many times have we all started a new health workout or diet regime? And then within two to three weeks, we kind of stopped. Absolutely. I mean, it's, it's very particular in.

And the uncertain world, like we're in [00:10:00] now, you know, you kind of make, or let's use a new year's Eve, you make your new year's resolution and you start sticking to it. And then suddenly you realize, Oh, well maybe I want something else. Maybe I want to do something else. And that ability to stay on, on the tracks kind of veers a little bit, doesn't it.

And ultimately it's not down to those around us. It's not down to. Anything other than your mindset, your mind focusing on those tracks is what keeps you moving in that direction. Maybe sticking to, I have an exercise goal, maybe eating well, or maybe practicing meditation or reading books or whatever it might be to stick to and create a new habit.

You know, going back to our habit series, Mike, it's just sticking to it. It's their mindset and discipline, to apply yourself. And that all starts with your brain. What do you think it's like for most people, do you think most people [00:11:00] just encounter what we're talking about? They're just like, Oh, too much.

Oh, I'll just sleep in this morning or I'll cut a few corners here. Do you think it's just? Most of us have just got laziness inside of us. And it's the question of whether we want to overcome it or not? Well, for me, what limits my ability to stick to goals or objectives or ambitions or whatever it might be.

Um, maybe it's getting up in the morning, going for a run, whatever it is actually, it's, it's more about the present versus the long-term vision. So. If I'm lying in bed and I'm thinking, Oh, I don't want to have to deal with this problem today. It's very, very tempting to just stay in your cocoon, your safety net, your area of feeling comfortable [00:12:00] and not have any challenges or issues around you.

But actually, when you step back or maybe you fast forward two weeks and you look back to it, you probably won't even remember that morning. A moment because in the long-term goal and the long-term vision, those small little moments, actually, they're not going to be something that you're going to look back at.

And remember as being pivotal instead, when you overcome those challenges or overcome that particular problem that maybe you're facing, or maybe you're avoiding. Hmm. That's when it becomes a, life may be a moment. And I think what Goggins is calling out here is. You know, the cold, hard truth. You've got to be a little bit strict here.

You know, you've got to remember. No, no, I've got to get up because of that long-term vision, because achieving your goal is only going to happen. You go and do it yourself. That's right. That's right. It's um, it's so interesting. Just to kind of [00:13:00] reflect a little bit on how laziness is something that confronts you all and why it's really exciting about the clips that we've got to come is it's going to really show us how.

We can wrestle with the laziness gremlin, uh, this, this monster that gets in between us and our goals. And I think that's, what's so exciting about breaking down David Goggins and really King through how much and set can overcome some really. Amazing challenges that you may have thought you were totally incapable of overcoming, but with the power of the mind and the use of your mindset, you can do amazing things.

And we've seen this everywhere. It's amazing. We saw it with Michael Jordan, sorry. Serena Williams, Simon Sinek, even Elon Musk, they all subscribe to the power of mindset. And what David [00:14:00] Goggins does. Total army style he gives is it to us in such a clear, digestible, highly, highly energized. I reckon he had a few red bulls for some of these clips, but that's, what's on offer today.

So I can't wait to get into understanding the power of the mind build resilience and what it takes really to be the best version of ourselves. But my, before we go there, uh, I want to propose to you, we've been talking a lot about how David Goggins, uh, talks about things that relate to some of the other innovators that we've studied.

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It seems to me like David's onto something that this is all about mindset. This is all about how you use your brain. And he has a little rule for us. So let's have a listen to this very powerful rule from David Goggins. I believe that most human beings are only living at 40% of their capability. So the mind has a governor like a car.

If you're driving a car and the car has a governor on it, the car may say 130 miles an hour. But the governor [00:17:00] said for 91, once that governor sets and you get the 91, that car starts doing this, the car wants to go to CRA, wants to go. But Def factory said, ah, we're not going past 91. We have. Factory a nice governor in our brain.

And it's a survival mechanism. It protects us from pain and stuff free. The second we feel that our mind says, Oh no, this is the fun we should back off. We should sit down, find something more comfortable. And there's some about the mind the man has a tactical advantage. Were you at all times at all times of your life, mine has a tactical advantage over you that it knows what you're afraid of.

It knows your insecurity. Because it knows your deep dark lies and it starts to push you away from that. It pushes you in a direction that is comfortable. The mind controls everything. So what I realized was that when I was growing up and I was 300 pounds and I got all fat and I got all insecure, I realized that my mind [00:18:00] kept taking me in this direction when things could get uncomfortable for me, when I was facing my insecurities, I was facing my fears.

My mind said, Oh no, we have a tactical advantage. We just get you some. Very true from this feeling, this feeling well, your life's all about feelings. We want the happy feeling. We don't want that feeling of this sucks. Why am I here? So you can't answer those questions. So you leave. I started realizing that if in that moment you can answer those questions and you are now in charge of your brain versus your brain ruling.

You that's what all that stuff comes from. So the 40% rule is all of that. You get the 40% your brain says. We're done. Let's roll, man. This is starting to get painful. This is uncomfortable. So you said now is a habit. So if you, at 40%, I'm feeling pain at 40% of Dillon pain. That's where the 40% will kicks in.

Now it starts, okay. I'm feeling pain. My mind saying, get out of here, [00:19:00] run, flee the fight or flight kicks in. Okay, we're done. We're not good enough. It starts telling you all these days, you start to believe it. Cause the mind controls all. This is the time where you have. To gain control back of your mind and said, okay, let me see if I can go 45% in once you start giving yourself more and more hope instead of realizing, okay, the mind starts to be okay, what are you doing?

We're supposed to be going right? And you're going left. You start then controlling your mind, start finding more in yourself. And then it goes from 40% to a lot further than that. But that's the start of it though. Get to the spot where your mind is saying stop, wherever that is. Yeah, get there first. And then that's when that starts to work for you.

You got to control yourself in that moment.

That is such a big lesson. And it's something that for me, at least Mike, I do struggle with, I often find myself, uh, blocked by my [00:20:00] own. You know, confidence or anxieties that come up and stop me from being the best version of myself, um, in a minute or a day or a week, whatever. And now, you know, digging. Yeah.

Goggins and I love the visualization of it being kind of like a limiter or a governor as he calls it on your car. It sort of stops you being able to go that much faster. Um, You know, the brain is trained to protect you from suffering. And I think when you do have uncomfortable moments at work or life, you know, that's what that is your brain sort of kicking in and saying, no, no, no, let's avoid this, but I love this incremental training that David Goggins is calling out to us a little bit.

Like when, when, when with the breathing and the cold water actually. But yeah, we can just train ourselves a little by little to, to get that. Further to go harder to put up with more, more challenges. [00:21:00] And, you know, as Gladwell was telling us, um, you know, think of difficulties as desirable to train your mind.

This for me, this is a great lesson. This is a big one. Yeah. Yeah. So I want to, I want to go into that and try and break it down with you a bit and see if we can get the DNA of the 40% role. I think. To build on what you just said. What Goggins is saying is when you approach the limit, it is natural for your mind to be triggered into a state of quite a state of fear, because discomfort means, well, your natural instinct would be to avoid discomfort.

So let's say it's studying hard. Let's say it's working out, uh, whatever it is, uh, your, your it's, it's natural and very normal to experience this, this [00:22:00] flight, this aversion to discomfort. And I think what, as I try to embrace the Goggins, like thinking he's saying. That's totally natural. But what you need to do is to, to really confront the fact and accept the fact that it's a normal response that you don't have to listen to.

He's saying that there's a different path and that path is to say, great. Uh, it's starting to be uncomfortable. I'm starting to feel really tired. And although I'm getting signals to stop because it's uncomfortable. Remember why I'm doing this and remember that it's natural to have the temptation to stop.

Um, but remember that it's natural to have that and just almost develop a habit of, let's say let's use his 40% limiter. Just say, okay, well today [00:23:00] I'll just go to 41 and I'll push through that discomfort. And if you do those increments over time before, you know, it you'll be at 50% and so on and so forth.

So I think what he's saying is when we get to these moments, use the power of the mind to say, Hey, It's uncomfortable. It's hurting. I'm tired. I want to stop studying. I'm going to stop working. I want to stop writing, but he's saying no, that, that is a moment where you can choose to push through and to accept that, you know, when we feel discomfort, Mark, I think we naturally, we don't actually consciously process it.

We subconsciously just stop because it's uncomfortable. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I think what he's, what he's calling out here is, is exactly combating that isn't it, Mike? So notice it, recognize it and choose, make your own choice to push through it. That's all right. That's all right. [00:24:00] I think really when we decode him, he's like, uh, giving us the permission to acknowledge that flight.

Or the avoidance of discomfort is totally normal, but he's saying, you know, you don't have to listen to that. W which, which is, uh, a challenge that, um, you know, even recently, Mike, within the last six months of the strange scenarios that, you know, we were all living in as well as, you know, having lots of work on the plate.

That's something that I think, um, our listeners, but, but I'll call out myself, particularly have, you know, been challenged with, and I think this incremental. Um, a challenge to ourselves, and this recognition and awareness, um, Is something that actually is, is, is quite practical. It's a little bit of [00:25:00] a, a little bit of a mindset shift.

Um, but actually it's something that I feel like I could practice day to day. Um, yeah, we'll dig into Goggins’s techniques a little bit in the show as well, but for me that I want to come back to this. I feel like this is something that I could try and challenge myself at pushing and being exposed to more day to day.

Yes. And I think if, if you can accept and be comfortable that you're responding to comfort and hardship and wanting to stop it, but you can almost use the power of the mind to reverse the decision and say, no, it's cool. I choose to push through and I think this is at the heart of it. So what's great. Now is we're going, to start moving towards some of the habits and the techniques and the behaviors to do this, but it also with [00:26:00] the mind.

So let's have a listen, David Goggins putting us in control. Your brain is the most powerful weapon in the world. Once you put away your phones and your computers and all that we have nowadays. Yes. Great. We're up today? We, you know, your brain is the only thing you have when you're going through depression.

When you, when you're going through hard times, you're going through death in real life. You can't Google that man. You're alone. You're low. You may have a shrink, you're going to, you may have a best friend. Gone too, but there are 24 hours in a day where you're alone in this brain and your brain is talking to you in all kinds of ways.

And it wants to control you and pull you in these different pockets. If you can't control your own brain and your brain controls you you're, you gotta tell your brain where you want to go and how you want to go and how you want to get there. You got to control it. If not, it's [00:27:00] over. The one thing you have in adversity is your brain.

So you might as well train it like a muscle, right? You want to run faster, you go for a run and train your legs. If you want to lift heavier weights, you go to the gym bench, some bench, press some, some, some iron, right. I think where Goggins going with this is okay. Well, when you be prepared for those difficult times, by focusing your mind and training it, right.

Totally. And I think that. You know, you might not control things happening around you, but you can control how you respond. And I think the classic thing right now is we will know people. We might even be able to see this in ourselves that threw out, uh, this sort of 20, 20, uh, craziness. Some people have, maybe I've given up a little bit, right?

Uh, their response, two conditions that they don't control, maybe [00:28:00] they, uh, You know, I've got a bit loose on the diet. Maybe they just got into it, cruise control at work, whatever. Um, others on the other hand may have said, well, okay, what can I kick? Start what I am going to choose to respond to the environment.

Although I don't control those factors, I control my response. And that starts with how you think it's almost to me like. What's so amazing. His mindset is the one thing we have total control, but just like the body, the mind needs exercise, it needs practice. It needs, um, it needs a good one in order to be strong.

Yeah. What the irony is, Mike is I think how little. We actually spend that time on our mind getting our mindset. Right. I think it's a, I think it's amazing if you think about a comparison between our, our normal lives [00:29:00] and that of elite athletes, it is so obvious what elite athletes. So doing both physically, mentally, and emotionally to win at the highest level levels yet.

When we look at ourselves, how much time do we allocate for mindset training? How much time do we, um, go to the mindset gym and get ourselves ready for whatever thing we're trying to do. Whatever goal, vision, or mission, where on how much time do we really spend on it? And I think the thing that Goggins taps into and a lot of self-improvement.

Uh, gurus are really doing it in all of their unique ways saying spend some time on the mind because the dividend is the greatest because you have, I have complete control. It's the one thing is Goggins is telling us that you can control, you know, in that situation of seeing all the stress or whatever it is, [00:30:00] you're alone.

You won't have your phone. You can't always Google a particular problem that you've got. Right. I think this is valuable. Practical, um, tip and, and again, I just feel like it's bang on the money from where we've visited with some of our other innovators, you know, being disciplined, seeing the wood through the trees, as they say, um, to be that best self in order to, to achieve your goals and objectives so big.

But, how, how do we get that mic? Well, one, all of my favorite practices that I've adopted, one of my favorite go tos for clearance the mind and having, I always think about trying to be as crisp as I can about my objectives, not only the day but where am I? Where am I going? What do I need to improve upon?

Um, and [00:31:00] making sure that this package of, of thinking and effort. Ladders up to my, to my goals, to my real vision, the legacy that I want to live. And so we want to be something great in life. And we want to realize that our true potential, the beauty of this mindset that we get from David Goggins is it can start with something every morning.

And let's have a listen to David Goggins talking about one of my personal favorites. Generally. Well, I want to, I want to a little bit and talk about the takeaways here for, for the reader. I mean, we talked about. Um, the accountability mirror a little bit, uh, we talked about visualization and taking souls.

Uh, but let's talk a little bit about how, uh, journaling has been instrumental in this journey that you've been on. Yeah, so basically I've been journaling now for several years and I should have brought my journal with me, man. I mean, I have several of them had these little [00:32:00] green military notebooks that I've kept actually put a couple in the.

In the book, they're coming right out. But I write down my day and what I do is I go back and study that day. Sometimes I might, I might get sick. I might be over-trained. I might gain a couple of pounds here. I might feel whatever that is. Like my accountability journal of what I'm doing with my life, physical, mental, um, I had an eating journal, all this shit, and it helps me go back to once again, study I'm a lab rat.

And I studied myself. Like not feeling fucked up. I go, okay, what did I do last week? And usually, I can find out where I messed up last week. You know, how much I'm traveling when I'm sleeping, how much I'm doing all this stuff. And, and through journaling, man, you can really figure out so much about where you're messing up in life in which you need to fix about yourself, taking constant inventory, costing honest about that.

And that's the thing about, and not put bullshit in there has gotta be a [00:33:00] real, a real journal about, Hey, today I messed up here today. I should have been a better person here and not just saying it. But actually trying to fix it tomorrow, you extend that accountability to including like bringing in like a close circle of friends and mentors, so they know what's going on, or are you just accountable to yourself?

Like if somebody is looking at this and saying, well, I could do that, but how do you feel about it. Letting others in on your goals and, and, and having like external pressure to hold you accountable. No, there's no external pressure. There's no, you know what I mean? But I think other people, Oh yeah, no, it's important to have circles.

It's important to have, I like to talk about man, like, like that big rabbit hole of bad people that you want to get away from. Like, if you're a drunk and you want to stop drinking, you got to get away from those people. You want to build this nucleus around you, of people who are saying it's not okay to sleep in a day.

We've got to get after it. Hey, let me see your [00:34:00] journal. You're supposed to be running five miles. They only ran three. You gotta have those people. Some people need those people. It's important, but you want to get to the point in your life. It's really important that you hold yourself accountable and those people start to fade away because you now got it.

You want to be that person because they're not always going to be there to hold your hand. I'm someone who's always been a fan of, you know, somebody who keeps a journal, but I can't say I have I've, I've always desired it. And I've always seen, and I love hearing clips of our innovators when they do talk about it.

And as our listeners know, Mike, we've spoken about it a few times as well, but I really see the value of journaling coming through. With, with Goggins his message of staying accountable and learning from yourself, this constant inventory of yourself, like how, do you, how do you, how do you best use your [00:35:00] journaling time?

What's your, what's your process? Yes. So, so look, I think, um, If, if let's say I'm talking to you as, uh, someone who would like to journal, um, and how would I, what would I say to you to convince you to journal? I would say that the the overall benefit of journaling is it is a forum to get the voice in your head to get it out.

It's a detox. It's a cleanse man. And the, we all have these conversations in our head are, this was good. That was bad. I wish I want perhaps, maybe why, what, who, what, when all of those sorts of things, just get it out. This is purging. Now, what's really interesting. [00:36:00] Once you've done, you've got to this first step of just getting it out of your system.

What we all know is when you get it out of your system, often as you're forced to write something down, it forces you to ask the question, what am I really thinking? Because. You can be vague and abstract in your mind, but you can't be. It's very bike. Riding is very binary. It's black and white. You have to write down the thought.

And what I often find is sometimes my thought is not that clear. So I'm like, Oh, hang on. What am I actually what's really bugging me here? Or what am I really pushing for here? Or what am I really, what did I do? That was so good. What am I trying to capture as a learning? So there's two parts to generally, it's just a detox with the mind.

Um, and secondly, the thoughts that are in your mind get better because you're forced to write it. So the following day, your thinking will be crisper because you went through a process of [00:37:00] writing it down. It's just the same as when you have to present something, you often get a lot clear in it because you're like, I want to do a great presentation.

I want to communicate, I want to share this idea. So you Polish up the thinking now here's the next thing. When you journal often and consistently, it just compounds in a beautiful way. And I actually noticed that when I haven't journaled on a day, I actually feel some. Uh, something's missing and I'll tell you why.

I think, uh, well, first of all, have I made a good case for journaling Mark, as you listened to this, are you like, Oh, geez. Yeah, I really, I mean, are there questions that still remain? Wow. Just as an, as an observation. I do have a question on practicality actually, but I want to hear Mike, I want to learn how I can begin doing it today.

I mean, for me, it sounds really, really [00:38:00] valuable and this idea of yeah. Cleansing, it kind of reminds me when I talk about an idea there or a problem with you or any of my colleagues. It helps because the whole act of just explaining it out loud. Sometimes I can, I can see the consistent thread. I can see the answer alternatively, by saying it out loud and making it real.

It gets it out of your head. So I see I'm really, really seeing that value of, of doing it privately, staying accountable and, um, You know, channeling any of those, those thoughts and so on. So Mike, do you, do you use your computer? Do you do it by hand? And it sounds like David Goggins has his little green, green army books.

What, what's your method? Well, so, so now you're onto the how. Okay. So we, we successfully have given you we've closed the deal on, on why [00:39:00] you should do it. It's a detox, it's a cleanse and your thinking gets better to how do you do it for me? It's, it's a classic habit design, make it insanely easy. If you want to write it in a small book that you can carry around with you do that.

I have, uh, an app called drafts. Um, I also have another app called IAA writer. Both of these two apps have, uh, OSX and iOS versions for iPad, iPhone. So no matter where I am in which device I have, if I want to write my diary, my journal. It sinked on the cloud and it's there everywhere. This for me is essential.

If you have none of those things, you still can get enormous value by just sitting down with pen and paper and writing out your thoughts. I like to make it easy. The next thing is I like to do it every morning and I do it critically before [00:40:00] I look at any email. Hmm, because this is me time. And I asked myself two questions.

How do I feel about yesterday? And what am I going to do today? Now, the important thing for me is how do I feel? Frustrated, proud, delighted, grateful. And why. And I really take some time to capture good, old, bad. What's at the heart of that then by naturally just saying, well, what am I going to do today? If there's just one thing I get done today, what does that thing look like?

It's a really good jump off for the morning and I will do this before email. That'd be generally before sunrise and this will be my time making a promise to myself about trying to be that little bit better today. You've convinced me, Mike, you've got to get running. [00:41:00] Mark, get riding. Hang on, finish, finish the show first.

Then you can get gentlemen. Exactly, exactly. I mean, look fundamentally the only thing that would block me doing it it's me. It's myself. I can't blame anybody else. So there you go. Okay. So I'll give you another cheat. You feel really new to this. Just right. One word, one emotion that describes how you feel about yesterday.

If you do that every morning, or if you prefer journal at night, just write a web describing how you feel about the day. Ooh, nice. That's a good tip. I mean, we can all write one word, right? I mean, there's nothing easier, nothing easier than writing down that word. Okay. That's how it'll start. I'll start at 10.

Okay, good. Just a word, just a word. Alright. So we've got an amazing, amazingly powerful practice journaling, which is [00:42:00] all about taking control of your mind and pushing through that 40% rule. This is the architecture of David Goggins thinking. It is so powerful and the great news. For all of our listening, this is we've still got clips to go.

We are going to bring to that mental side of the game. We're going to bring some resilience, some strength. And this, let me tell you if you are not excited yet. Wait for these clips. Cause we got some real goodies coming. I think Mark, it would only be appropriate that we blend the power of the mind with resilience.

Think you've got a couple of clips there, where should we kick off our resilience? Uh, the, the, the last lap home here, how are we going to build resilience? How are we going to bring home the power of the mind and the previous? A couple of clips. We've heard David Goggins talking about that's skill advantage of your mind.

If you can train it, you can use it. If you can listen to it and overcome [00:43:00] those fears, anxieties, you can use it for positiveness, for affirmations, for going out there and being incredible today. So this first clip that we've gotten in our resilience areas of David Goggins is don't avoid using your mind.

Don't avoid the tactical advantage of it and actually. Remember that suffering sometimes makes you grow up. I did. I got choked out 10 years ago that I think about sometimes when I'm lifting, I'll be tired. And I'll think about a guy who caught me 10 years. I'm all like, fuck. Yeah. I'll just, that's great about life, man.

Cause I think about not being choked out, but think about a lot of shit that gap just keep pushing. They grind on me like a motherfucker, man. And that's what you're talking about earlier too. It's like that the mind has these reserves. You can trick it and pull them out. Inspirational reserves like you did with.

When you, when you guys were going through buds, we just found that trigger. And then all of a sudden you throw in that boat in the air mind [00:44:00] always has the tactical advantage over you. Why is that it knows your fears and knows your insecurities. Is it through the heightened can't hide. You can't hide from that motherfucker, man.

Don't forget the tactical bands on your son. That's going to get you, man. It's a beast that might be your best lesson, right? That your mind, your mind knows everything. You cannot hide from it. So don't ever try it. Try. You might as well. Go ahead and beat that motherfucker up. Yeah, I keep going at it.

That's also what you did in this book. You didn't try to like paint yourself in a glamorous flattering way. At any point in time, you were honest at every step of the way, which I think is just gigantic for people too, because. You can tell when someone's stroking themselves or bullshitting themselves and the messages won't come through, but this you're, you come through in this book, you know, like who you are and what you became and how you became who you are and who you used to be and why you were the way you used to be.

All that comes through. It was like, there's no filter. This is [00:45:00] just your, your thoughts like you, what you remember about your life and what you think about right now, just all comes out onto the pages. RSA have done my entire life. I'm imagine I have fucking down the hype to go buy this book. Didn't I walk up to PLP Walker to me.

I'm like, what are you thinking about another fucker? I think he probably pee in the bed.

that's hilarious. I know. Right? Like he like thinking about me, opening it up all you know, all about me. And how about you motherfucker? Tell me something about you. That's what people love right? When they know some shit about you. You don't know anything about them. That's not anybody that's. That's it, man.

And they get at me the County hall. There's a lot of those doing that to themselves. They don't even understand when you do that, you're doing it to yourself, right? If you are attacking someone because you know that they have a weakness, but you're pretending you don't have one, [00:46:00] you are attacking yourself.

You are chipping away at your own personal sovereignty. You're chipping away your own respect. So true man cameras.  though Joe, to me, I started looking at people realizing I know something about you because they don't want to talk about it. I already know it. Yeah. If you're talking shit about me, I know you're fucked up.

Yeah. That's where all these cats that come out right now, who don't like me, whatever. I'm like, really, man, that should happen 30 fucking years ago. 15 years ago. You still, you still fucked up about it dead, man. I know something about you, brother is I get over everything. I'm good. It's water under the fucking bridge grind.

The grind does. And he says you're not grinding harder if you're worried about that. Someone did to you years ago. You're being a pussy to yourself, may not getting out there and squeezing that fucking soul out every day. If you grind harm, I got a to worry about your monkey ass. [00:47:00] I got, don't worry about you, man.

Cause tomorrow I got to go back to the grind. And tomorrow I go back to the grind again and again, and again, and again, I don't have time to put you into the hate bank. There's no. Hey, it's all filtered out, man. Through the grind. If you don't get it, there's, there's great joy in the grind, the great Jordan, the suffer.

It totally cleanses your body out, man. If any kind of hate makes you grow, it makes you grow up joy in the suffering man. That is. I like getting to this place that he's talking about, where you can be brutally Frank and you are prepared to grind it out. Uh don't don't fall for what others have to say.

Grind it out because the more resilient you are, you are literally turbocharging your personal resilience and Joel growth. To me. I think we just got a very deep look [00:48:00] inside of how. David Goggins has achieved the most remarkable things. So think about this, the only man in history to complete Navy seal army ranger, air force, tactical air controller, training fittest, man on the planet also has a New York times bestseller that he wrote, right?

This is pretty remarkable stuff. And funny thing is you said writing the book was the hardest thing. Mark to me, this is a one huge, uh, spotlight on stick to the plan. Stay the course don't give up. It's very, very powerful. I totally agree. And to build on that, there's this joy in the grind. Again, this is something that Gladwell in the Gladwell series was, was telling us if you can change your mindset and think about difficulties being desirable and an opportunity to learn and [00:49:00] evolve and become a better, maybe stronger version, then that's fantastic.

And this next clip is David Goggins. Again, coming back to us and. Going into this daily grind, the value of maybe sticking to writing is which I it's amazing. That was the most difficult I think he's ever done. This is David Goggins. Again, telling us about the grind. Now we've got to adapt and overcome to survive.

What existed for me was okay, man, how am I going to make this work? And all I knew back then was hard work. The only way anything gets accomplished. That's all I heard back in those days, you gotta work hard. You gotta work hard getting how to.

That's how I started learning. Okay. Well, I [00:50:00] can't, I gotta write up everything I do. And then write out again and write again and guess what happened? I got it. I got it. I can't swim. I'm negative buoyant, go back again. I can't swim. Go back again. Go back again. Go back again. I got it. I realized if I keep going back and going back and going back until the shit just becomes your mind.

Okay. We're going to figure it out because he is not going to stop. It's not like I'm gonna try it one more time. No, it's just like long gone goes off. Boom. Going back. I can't read. Right. We're going back. I gave myself no way out. Then my mind realized that they said, okay, we're going to adapt and overcome now adapt and overcome like this.

I think if you're. If you're being resilient and you're sticking to it, the next thing that [00:51:00] comes on top of that, you've got the right mindset. You're sticking to it, continual adoption. Uh, I always think about tweaking and, and trying and experimenting. I, for example, my every time I'm going for a really big run, I'm thinking about.

Uh, different, uh, hydration techniques, different food to have more stamina and endurance. Like I'm constantly playing with it. When I, I try and take that spirit to everything I do, like just to adapt and find ways. Around it. How do you, how do you embody that adaptive mindset? Um, by, by learning, um, taking a lesson from each of our innovators each week, actually, um, my, my, my adaption, I think, is trying to absorb as much as I can from each of our, of focuses each of our episodes.

So for example, that clip just then reminds me of Nicholas tarlob and anti-fragile. [00:52:00] You know, you've got to be excited about being uncomfortable because it's a chance to learn this resilience comes from being uncertain. And when you, when you sort of read change or rewire your mind towards the hardship and thinking about it as a great opportunity, that for me, is this test and learn that for me is the way that I'm trying to adapt by, you know, rewiring.

My natural response is I guess, to, to certain challenges and hardships and so on. Yeah, totally, totally. And I love the, I love the, um, the competitive nature in me is I love trying different techniques, uh, running in different shoes, different, like whatever it takes to beat the time, uh, to learn more things, uh, in how to build great products, uh, whatever I'm working on.

I love that. And I just try and. [00:53:00] Turn it into a game, you know, um, to adapt, to use different techniques. That's why this show is such a delight to do, because I feel like together, you and I are just getting more inputs on how to, you know, do things a little bit better and that's kind of fun, right? It is fun.

It's it's learning from. Our listeners, it's learning from our innovators that we cover these authors, these, these sports individuals, these a big psycho, uh, analytical thing, because you know, it's, it's great fun. It's a perfect opportunity to, to then take the lessons from our show and try and apply them to work.

Mike, he Hino, like you say, as you're running, you're thinking about different ways, hydration, maybe different shoes in order to push yourself a bit further. I like to think that. And hopefully our listeners are listening to, to us learning out loud together and getting inspired themselves. Maybe they're taking some of the lessons and the tips that they're hearing from our listeners [00:54:00] at our focuses, such as David Goggins and beginning them into their own working lifestyle.

Yeah, I totally agree. And I, I think that, uh, is only appropriate that we have one more clip that really speaks to the essence of David Goggins. There's this enormous. Courage and resilience to write books, to be a Navy seal and so much more. And I think this last final clip kind of is David in a nutshell.

So let's have a listen for the last time to David Goggins. People hear my story and think this guys that yesterday, I realized how the, how the brain works. I figured out how the brain works. I, I may year kid and that's what gives me so much power. I had no foundation [00:55:00] and I built this off of just researching the mind.

The feeling you get is basically invincibility. You realize that you can't do it. Wait all the time when you need to do it. I know I can go to a place that I can live in. And when you know that you can run on broken legs and you can do certain things that a lot of people can do, but they're not willing to do this power, the sympathetic nervous system of fight or flight, and you're fighting it.

It gives you this charge of energy of when you're sitting there at three 30, four o'clock in the mall. And your duct tape on your feet up because they're broken and you're doing it by yourself. And you're going do arguably one of the hardest training in the world. And these guys, most of them are healthy and you're going through a broken and you're already at a [00:56:00] disadvantage, but you're still there.

You can feed into that and tap into that for a lot of power. But if you look at it and well, I'm broken, man, I'm not gonna make it. If you look at it as man I'm broken and I'm still here and I'm fighting and I'm going to find a way to get through this. Cause I have no other place to go. It gives you a lot of power.

When things start to suck really, really bad. My brain in a lot of people's brain, don't they, they don't go to your dad, beating you up. Your brain says we ate.

No, there has to be a much deeper. You want to say it has to be down to mineral, [00:57:00] mineral soil. It has to be down to that nice mineral soil where nothing can burn you can't burn dirt. So it has to be down that low that literally. The menu that's at the core, your soul, but you, but you'll find it unless you spend a lot of time with what you want to be in life.

You, I can't get that to you, right? You can't give it to somebody when you find your true passion in life. In my passion for me, when like, Oh, I want to be now give a Navy seals, army round gifts. I want to serve my country. I cared about, I want to be someone that I'm proud of. Use the energy that comes through discomfort, challenge, disadvantage, and use that energy to make it your advantage.

It's in your power to go out and harness it and use it in a different way that instead of it being a [00:58:00] negative impact on you. It's something that benefits your growth as well as your ability to deliver work. I think this is a clip to end on from, from David Goggins. Yeah. And what a gift like just use at the essence of his thinking is if you're still here, that's a positive rather than it hurts.

And I want to give up, no, it hurts. And I'm still here. That is power. That's the turning point for everything in his thinking. It's hurting. It's uncomfortable, but I'm still here. How powerful is that? Mark? That's so good. I know were here. And what a confidence boost, what next time I'm in a problem or a challenge and I think, okay.

But remember I'm here. I can still keep my feet on the ground and keep moving forward. That's ownership. That's yeah, that's what it's all about. [00:59:00] Totally. So what was it? What's been the most surprising thing about David Govins for Uma, we've gone very deep in a very big turn from Malcolm Gladwell. What, what has.

Really stuck out for you as we've gone into this journey of someone who has, uh, you know, the fittest man in America,  the David Goggins is calling out. Obviously we, we didn't delve into how he achieved 4,000. Pull-ups, you know, we did some extra necessarily need to, by digging into his mindset and digging into the discipline, as well as the awareness that he has of his own mind.

I think that's, it's given us the answer. It's given us the answer as to how he was able to be in the us armed forces, the CEO's as well as the air traffic controller. He was able to go for 24 hours of pull-ups because he [01:00:00] had conquered his mindset for me, the big lesson, the big takeaway is that if he can do it, I can do it.

Our listeners can do it. We've all, we're all in control of our own minds and our brains and our approach to things. And I think what David Goggins is calling out here is go and harness it today and you'll start to see improvement straight away. So that's. That's the big lesson for me. The brain is in my command.

Exactly. Well said, well said, well, Mark, listen, thank you for sharing this, you know, turbocharged high adrenaline. Uh, you can't hurt me mindset. Uh, it's been pretty, pretty intense, right? Yeah. That's been a good show. Nice. Um, a little bit of a side step from a lot of the, um, Recent shows, you know, we were digging into Nicholas Tyler.

We dug into Malcolm Gladwell, the author series. It was very interesting to [01:01:00] break that up a little bit and hear from an old Arison runner. What fun I know what an incredible guy David Goggins is. And, uh, the next series we're coming, we have coming up is a huge one. Uh, we, again, to go into the world of Tim Ferris.

And I can tell you that when I first read the four hour workweek by Tim Ferriss, I had changed a lot for me in my life. And I, I cannot wait to get into Tim Ferris. How are you feeling about going to one of the Kings of self-improvement? Um, what do you think about Tim Ferris? Yeah, I'm, I'm excited. I know him from, um, you know, listening to him in the past.

I'm excited too. To really hear from you, Mike, actually, I'm excited to explore him with you. I know you're a huge advocate of his work, so I can't wait to kind of scratch the surface and really dig [01:02:00] into Tim Ferriss has an entire series of episodes. I can't wait to really delve into, into the man into the Ferris wheel.

Ah, you're good, too good to Shay. And that'll get us ever so close to our 100th episode, which is good. Be huge, but there's plenty, plenty more left in the moonshots podcasts. So, Mark, I want to say big. Thank you to you. I want to say thank you. To all of our listeners, wherever so grateful for people from all over the world, joining in to our adventures, learning out loud and really challenging ourselves to be the best versions of ourselves.

And today we learn that's all about staying in the fight because the truth really is often give into our lazy gene. And give up on our trends, but we don't have to because we're so much better than we could ever imagine. So if we just control our mind, [01:03:00] if we use some of the greatest practices, like generally we can unleash some of that potential on the world and have some positive impact.

And those missions are not easy, not easy at all. So we're going to encounter challenges and suffering. But if we have the right mindset, if we're resilient, we can adapt and overcome. And every step of the way, keep going, because you know that there is power from stooping in the game from not giving up.

And that's the gift that we had today with David Govins here on the moonshots podcast. That's a wrap.